Hi Everyone. I had an embolic stroke about 48 hours ago and here i am at home typing away and feeling very very lucky. As you can imagine I am feeling a little 'rattled' by events! My understanding from the hospital that it is good to tell my story and I figure now is as good time as any while it is all fresh in my mind. At first glance I wasn't clear where to do that and thought i would 'cheat' and just ask. I am 55, very fit, good blood pressure and blood sugar, low cholesterol and certainly didn't see this coming. Apart from a little hesitance with some words etc I seem to have made full recovery and as you can imagine I have immeasurable gratitude to the health professionals that are responsible for all this.
Welcome Craig!
Great to have you introduce yourself and share your experience.
48 hours and you are typing away - fantastic!. I hope you find some good information here on EnableMe to assist your own situation.
If you need to talk with somebody about your stroke, there is Strokeline which is available Monday-Friday 9am-5pm, there number is 1800 787 653. Strokeline is attatched to the Stroke Foundation.
We are a very friendly bunch here on EnableMe, willing to share our own experiences and learn as we go.
Take care as you begin to navigate life after your stroke.
Sue
Welcome Craig,
Thank you for reaching out. I am sorry to hear about your recent stroke, but very pleased to hear you are doing well. It sounds as if the hospital admission has been a positive experience for you and that is great to hear.
EnableMe is a great place to start, and there is a great deal of information on a variety of topics. There are many forums, a variety of blog posts or you can Ask a Health Professional any specific questions you may have.
As Sue has said above, you can also contact StrokeLine on Ph. 1800 787 653 Monday to Friday 9am to 5pm, if you would like to ask a more specific question, or would like to speak with a Health Professional.
Another place to be able to share your story might be a local stroke support group. You can find one in your local area at https://strokefoundation.org.au/About-Stroke/Help-after-stroke/Local-stroke-support-groups-and-choirs.
We look forward to hearing more of your journey.
Best wishes
Siobhan (StrokeLine)
Thanks for the contacts and comments. Not all smooth sailing and had a different and physical TIA today, called ambulance again and just returned home after some 6 hours in ED at Flinders. Another CT scan but summary that this is normal and sent me home. My main concern is that I asked if they could tell me when all these tests would be that were referred to when discharged yesterday and that they would contact me about. I was kinda thinking I might hear something and get this off my mind if there is something wrong, although i am realistic that they may not find anything. Doctor said as far as she can see i have a follow up appointment booked for August 23 and things will be organised after that. Has any one had experience with the SA health system? I have private health cover ( and elected to use that within the public system feeling that was the right thing to do) but i am wondering if that 7 week wait is likely to be due to pressure on the public system or if that is the right sort of period of time. The other question was that the doctor just before discharge suggested to me that they would refit a smaller ecg data logger on me for another week to see if anything was picked up with AF but nurses then later said that wasn't the case and they would do that after i came back for checks to the stroke unit. Now I am a little concerned that this is delayed 7 weeks. Any advice and experience appreciated. Maybe you have to wait that sort of time for things to settle down? I am realistic about pressures on our system, rows of ambulances ranked, ED staff apologising to distressed people that they will shift them as soon as a bed is available etc. and philosophically I would prefer to have the choice to put extra money into the public system for all and not private, but given i want to survive for my family, I just want to follow the best path possible for my best chance from this point. Been able to get in to see my GP tomorrow and hopefully get some candid insights from him.
Hi Craig,
I am sorry to hear about your TIA on Monday. It's good that you called the ambulance and were taken to Flinders Medical Centre, and that they organised a CT scan for you.
It was a good idea to have made an appointment with your Gp following your original discharge. Hopefully he was able to provide you with some more specific details regarding your upcoming appointments and follow up tests (this information should be on the discharge summary sent directly to your GP).
There are a number of tests that the hospital doctors may have referred you for, especially if as you say you have good blood pressure control, healthy cholesterol levels and normal blood sugar levels. These tests can provide additional information on what caused your stroke if you don’t have any previously identified risk factors. Usually you will be referred for these tests once you have been discharged from hospital. The time frames will be specific to each person, and be directed by the referring doctors or neurologists on the ward.
Do you have a copy of your original hospital discharge summary? This should identify the additional tests and referrals that have been made for you, and possibly the timeframes. If you do not have a copy, you can speak to your Gp about whether he received this from the hospital.
I don’t have experience with the SA health system but there will be some similarities with the Public Hospital system in each state. In most cases the stroke specialist/neurologist that you saw on the ward should have indicated when they wanted to see you back in the clinic and this would provide the timeframe for your upcoming appointment on 23 of August. There certainly can be delays in the public system depending on demand and waiting lists. If you are concerned about this I would be discussing your concerns with your local Gp and speaking with him about the urgency of your referrals. You can always discuss with your Gp a referral for a private neurologist and a private Cardiologist in your area, but there can also be waiting lists for these specialists depending on demand.
Hopefully you were also able to discuss with your Gp the suggestion from the ward regarding a multi-day heart monitor. Your Gp may be able to refer for this if he feels that it is something that needs to be followed up prior to your follow up appointment in August.
I hope that you more clarity after your Gp appointment yesterday, let us know how things went for you. If you would like any further support please contact StrokeLine on 1800 787 653.
Take care
Siobhan (StrokeLine)
Hi Craig,
Sorry to hear of your TIA, and the following difficulties with which way to go in regards to what to do next. You are very right in saying you want to survive for your family and also feel supported in which way to turn, absolutely!
As Siobhan suggested to call Strokeline if needed - and yes hang onto any paperwork you are given. It's like gold!
So glad you have somewhere to ask about your experiences.
Regards
Sue
After such a long silence I thought I would update where I am at. I have had a lot of support throughout this process but particularly in the early days I had a hunger for information and other peoples experiences - when the anxiety was 'feeding on me' and just wanting to know what might happen next. I mainly take the time to write this in case someone reads this at that same stage and it can help them as an example of how things can go.
Yesterday I had my last 'expected' medical appointment and now I feel like life just goes on with only minor things that I hope will correct themselves and return me to be 'totally normal'. I still seem to have these random 'minor' fatigue events, although it doesn't restrict me from much. Also I feel like i am finally on top of the anxiety, although I feel like i have become quite skilled in identifying and dealing with that. That 'last' appointment has made me feel even stronger in that area and I hope its gone for good.
But that is one important lesson for me, take each day as it comes and don't be impatient or have 'expectations'. When something doesn't go how you like it is not a setback, its just part of the journey. Be grateful for the good stuff.
In hindsight I think it all went well and my only constructive comment would be in relation to communication and being able to understand what was going on. Maybe it was being discharged on a Sunday afternoon, but eventually via the GP we managed to get the discharge summary mentioned above - that's really important to ask for that and i think is was just a Sunday arvo oversight.
The tests did come and continued a positive story on my health. My GP has been great throughout and right back at the beginning he suggested it was important to keep up with the public system because going private with a neurologist would probably introduce even bigger delays. But he said there were some things I could do privately that may assist in the process and put my mind at ease sooner. Within about a week I was able to get echo-cardiogram and 24 hour halter monitor done via 'SA Heart'. After that TIA, the ED doctor I think could see my concern and did the referral for ultrasound of my carotid arteries that was done within days. I got in within a couple of days on a cancellation, and i hope that didn't put anyone out. I got the feeling the stroke clinic people were a bit miffed that this was ordered and done when it got to the stage of them organising appointments. I make no judgement on their workloads or pressures on the system and the best timing for this to be done. I can only explain that when this thing hit me out of the blue, no discharge summary and words that the clinic will get on to me 'at some stage'(with no timeline) and then followed by the TIA, my head was spinning a bit. The action of that doctor and the few minutes of ultrasound that found well shaped arteries with no sign of plaque, that was tremendous comfort to me - 'something' was happening.
The heart monitor was all good but the echo suggested that there was possibly a hole in my heart or a 'PFO' I think they called it, which 25% of the population also have. I then had an esophageal echo-cardiogram which gave them a better look and did show a bit of deformity of this PFO and a judgement call, partly based on how good the rest of my health was and my age of 55, that they would be happy to go in via an artery in my leg and close it and that was done on 10/8.
Meanwhile, I don't know if getting tests done privately helped but instead of what i was told was a 23/8 appointment with the TIA clinic, I got to see them on 2/8. It was interesting to see the CT scans, that the clot itself you could physically see and the huge area of my brain that was indicating oxygen depletion. It really brought home that one moment when i had a decision - 1. I don't feel quite right but I have done my 'FAST' self-tests, surely this will pass and i don't feel that bad, so continue down to the shed where my wife or anyone won't expect to hear from me for hours or 2. I don't feel quite right and i have done self-tests... but maybe i will just go back in and let my wife know what happened and how i am feeling. Also some questions from my well researched scientist wife seemed to help lead to a decision to refer me for an MRI - results of which have shown there is no sign of permanent damage to my brain and that's comforting to know, particularly given what i will chat about later. This timing was good too because i wanted to check with the stroke people if they had any opinions on what the cardiologist was suggesting. It really did come down to be two different disciplines though, so I just went with the cardiologist advice. To my mind, I know there can be no explanation for why this happened, but if there is any chance it was from the PFO then that is a chance i wanted to exclude.
The appointment with cardiologist yesterday confirmed that the closure had 'sealed' within 24 hours from the echo they did in the hospital and now they will just do one more in a year to double check things. So physically it couldn't be better.
But...... the real challenge for me through all this has been in my head and then how that plays out physically. Initially i got my best help from here - via links to beyond blue and helpline info on dealing with anxiety and also my GP. I've never had any 'real' anxiety before and i now have a much greater understanding that i can use to help others in the future. For me the slightest trigger, that at first i didn't even realise were triggers, would have me feeling 'not right' - which takes me back to 29/6 and that decision - do I ignore it and hope it passes or do I act when I don't feel right. Night time has been the worst for me. Waking with tingliness in hands, lips, feet and sharp pains in my feet. A few health direct calls were made over the time and they were good in working through what was the right action. One saw me in an ambulance to hospital but as I understood it, because tingles just in hand and not further up my arm, they didn't think it was related. Please don't self-diagnose off anything i say here, but this is what has worked for me and maybe you can use it as discussion points with your GP. If anything is wrong, that 000 number is the only thing that will save you. What my GP explained is that the anxiety can set up shallow breathing, that i won't necessarily notice and this leads to build up of carbon dioxide and from this comes the tingles. He said as a general rule that stroke related stuff will not be painful like in my feet, and numbness etc will be one side and not both. I have used this for a pattern of actions when i am woken up and feel distressed - start with slow deep breaths, counting to 5 in, pause and to 5 going out, trying to get the oxygen into my blood and calming myself. I go through my FAST checks reassure myself its not a stroke and check my pulse (for me always pretty low) and feeling the regularity of the beat. Still, at first it seemed like nothing would settle me to a point i would go back to sleep, and i would lay awake or hours, or go to another room and quietly watch something boring on TV. Then one night i felt really tired and just wanted to go to back to sleep and i snuggled up to my (long suffering!) wife and that simple contact just seems to put me at ease and allow me to drift off..... I think the total amount of disturbance to my light sleeping wife is much less overall by doing that.
For around about a week or so now I have been sleeping through. I can still recognise effects of anxiety at times, usually the trigger is when I tell someone new about what happened or public speaking - I gave a talk about a career in science to all the year 6 and 7's at my sons school and also we run a monthly nature club for kids through our national park friends group - usually i love that opportunity to mentor and encourage young people but currently it makes me feel very uneasy and after quite drained. Its still important to me to do though and i do hope that will improve.
I think the words on the beyond blue site was something like - get to know your anxiety and how you can control it or words to that effect. For me its hard to describe but its almost like i can feel a chemical going through me and i am right onto it now. If I'm around people I know I tell them and at times been known to use a four letter word to tell it to go away! I am having consecutive days without it now and I hope that builds and builds, but if it doesn't, I'm ready for it. I did have a couple of 'panic attack' level events towards the beginning but once i worked it out that hasn't happened again.
Well that's all i can think of to say. I know some people have done it a lot tougher and i do have empathy for your situation and I doubt what i have said helps you. But hopefully someone like me reads this who has been lucky and got to care quick and it will help in those early days of distress of what's going on and the anxiety.
Hi Craig,
It's really good to hear from you. A very thorough recount you have shared of how you have navigated many situation's since you first posted.
Your descriptions of everything make it very clear to picture just how hard you have worked and continue to work.
I have found an awesome group on Facebook - I care for your brain, Dr Sullivan. who is a neuropsychologist. She post free public lectures about all things stroke and this weeks talk was about anxiety. It was really good.
There is also an Australian support group on Facebook - Genyus network Trauma Survivor Support Team. This group was founded by Caleb Rixon who is himself a stroke survivor.
Education about stroke and all things brain I find really helpful.
Regards
Sue
